The Battle of the Signers!Earthbound inmortals vs the Crimson Dragon!!

agammemnon6 wrote:

Plz weaken dark signer? Those EBI's are so damned strong if they hit the field xD

or at least give the signers a CHANCE to win, dark signers can get their boss monsters out in like 1 second.

watergod wrote:

agammemnon6 wrote:

Plz weaken dark signer? Those EBI's are so damned strong if they hit the field xD

or at least give the signers a CHANCE to win, dark signers can get their boss monsters out in like 1 second.

We actually can't. We can only add the field spells, not the boss monster. Every signer has the ability to forcedraw any card they want, at any time they want (once)....as well as the ability to outright summon a boss monster from the extra with no cost.

I have. You want us to summon a monster that that requires 2 tributes to summon, and a field spell, when you can summon out any of your bosses in easier succession?

You're blowing things entirely out of proportion. Every dark signer decks is FAR worse than the signer decks (with the exception of Luna). We have to focus on an alternate win condition over the EBIs. The only thing he gave us was the ability to have our field spells up turn 1.... that's it.

1) No one will run Mound because it conflicts entirely with every build dark signers have, except the Beast build and Reactor build.
2) Only 1 of those decks can consistently summon summon tribute fodder without wasting a normal summon
3) Stop complaining.

dude let signers use dragon stuff tat were in the anime

no not those like the hot red dragon and nova dragon

Shameless wrote:

1) No one will run Mound because it conflicts entirely with every build dark signers have, except the Beast build and Reactor build.
2) Only 1 of those decks can consistently summon summon tribute fodder without wasting a normal summon
3) Stop complaining.

1) You can't speak for others at all, you can add a field spell whenever, while we can add a card ONCE.
2) Lol have you even heard of reptiles? They can summon tribute fodders easily at some points, I HAVE, been there.
3) Stop interfering.
4) PLUS my signer dragon can't even freaking destroy the field spell because of your dark signer effect!

i agree with watergod completly we can add once per match u guys once per duell also u r feild spell cnt even be destroyed wtf how do u expect us to win

Noble Magician Girl wrote:

In fairness, I think you've got a point.

If Leo can have access to Life-Stream Dragon, then why can't Yusei and Jack have their Shooting Star and Red Nova? (But GODS NO QUASAR!!)

no yusei and jack have access to majestic star and majestic red but at this time they dont have access to shooting star or red nova let alone quasar soo furthermore they are not allowed

exactly and the feild shit is too op like we cnt mst or shit how can we win this will be so one sided

exactly lunas dragon destroys feild so no fair

Noble Magician Girl wrote:

Have to agree. Ancient Fairy Dragon's big thing was its Field popping power. Iirc, it was one of the reasons why it was being held in the Spirit World by Zeman.

She was being held captive because she was queen of the spirit world....for some reason.


Anyway, the whole thing with the field, the Dark Signers need the ability to protect it. Without having any safe way to summon their EBIs (regardless of whether or not it's consistent), the Dark Signers get shafted. Outside of that, 2 of the Dark Signer decks literally cannot function without their respective field spell. Rendering the OPT non-destruction effect null renders these decks entirely useless.

Conversely, if Signer dragons (mainly AFD and BRD) cannot destroy the field spell, then there is still a problem. But this can be corrected simply by saying that those dragon's effects are absolute.
In other words, BRD and AFD can pop the field regardless of it's protection.

As for other balancing issues, things should simply balanced on both ends, but yet make sense for each signer.

1)
OPD, Dark Signers can add a field spell.
OPD, Signers can force topdeck the card they state at the beginning of the duel
Why that way?
The good guys never add what they need. They draw into it. Bad guys simply...grab a portion of their key combos.

2)
EBIs can not be reacted to if they are attacking
Signer Dragon summons cannot be negated nor responded to.
Why this way?
This is mainly to end the confusion with the last Signer Clause. Also, if Dark Signers cannot respond to their effect activations, then the Signers have an uneven advantage. With some Signer Dragons, not being able to respond to their summonings and effects can render an entire phase null to Dark Signers
I.E: M1 AFD is summoned. Dark Signers can't do a single thing during practically the entire Main Phase to protect themselves as their field spell gets popped, and their opponent get a free summon.

3)
If Dark Signers get 2000 extra LP, then Signers should be able to start with 6 cards (if they're going first)

4) Raise the 2000LP bar that the Signers have to summon the Crimson Dragon to 2500LP. Out of all the testing that I've done (signers and dark signers alike), it's too easy to to set my opponent's LP above 2000, then end their game on my next turn. Raising the cap slightly may help.
Raising it to 3000 may help more, but I am entirely unsure on whether or not it renders everything unbalanced.