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PostSubject: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptySun Mar 29, 2015 4:13 pm

Knowing how badly the CBs are when it comes to being used in forummotion, I'd figured that I could suggest this. This is mostly because of the unability to moderate trolls effectively when it comes to the CB's that forummotion provides, but there are some other benefits also.

The one I was particularly thinking about was a 'Pokemon showdown server' here are the pros and cons of this (and yes, I will address the tittle). Keep in mind I can set this up easily

Pros

  • The Mute and warn feature. This would allow moderators to mute. Kicking is only a warning for say of a user doing something that they should not, and a warn to a straight up ban can seem harsh. A mute would be a time out in a sense, something that our current CB does not have. Also instead of a kick, you have a warn.
  • More customization. Instead in our current CB, where you ahve glows and sparkles and whatever, you get a custom 80x80 avatar that you can have (and by have I mean use DP to get) and a bunch of other avatars to chose from. Plus depending on if you are a slifer or whatever usergroup you are in, you get a fancy symbol next to it (and I'll make sure that that symbol does not have any extra powers).
  • Other rooms. This is not a singular chatbox, but a server that can have multiple chatboxes. So users can have (once again, buy with DP) their own room which users can join. This can also be used to have multiple discussions in multiple different rooms instead of having multiple discussions in the same room.
  • Getting kicked for being AFK. This will not ever happen. And its annoying when it does happen. So if you have to go, when you come back you won't find yourself disconnected from the CB.
  • Bots. In the future, we could easily set up a potential bot that would be like a help bot or whatever you want this bot to do. But having a bot can be pretty cool and handy.
  • Highlighting. Users can highlight certain words so that while they could be duelings, they will get a pop up that says what the message with the highlighted phrase contains. This can also allow moderating to become a bit easier, sense if a staff member has naughty words highlighted, they could easily flip back to that tab and punish accordingly. I know this helps me a lot when I am staffing the main pokemon showdown server's "roleplaying" room.
  • The Voice (+) Rank. This rank would show users who are above and beyond and good rolemodels for the academy. These users could also be potential staff if you want to go at it that way.
  • A staff chat. Do I really need to explain this one?
  • The current CB is horribly designed. Its laggy at points, and it just lacks things. Overall this would be a general upgrade.


Neutral

  • Formatting. This is just preference, but some users may like to use bold or Italics and some users could be annoyed with it. While Bold an Italics still do exist, individual colors, underline, and emocons won't exist. This is only neutral because some people like having to at any time change their color, while some users find it annoying (like myself but thats because i come from a place where formatting is a warnable offense).
  • The Name "Pokemon Showdown." Okay, this is sorta ironic for an academy to have a pokemon showdown server sense they are both rivaling games, and the pokemon battles could get in the way. But who honestly cares? I don't think users would use the pokemon battling feature. Generally the "Pokemon" part can be somewhat ignored for its usage here if we do decide to change CBs.

Cons

  • Offsite. This (and any other CB I can think of off the top of my head) goes offsite. Meaning newer users may have a hard time finding it. Not to mention it would be difficult to tell who is tested and who is untested. Well, I have a solution for this.

    The CB here doesn't necessarily have to be gone, it can still be used for something else: A Help Room. Any Newer users or anyone who has questions can come into this room, and the staff here can test the newer users and answer questions. But we would just have to disallow idle chat in it, sense it can be distracting towards actually helping people.

    As for allowing us to define if someone is tested or untested, this is very simple, lets give each usergroup a rank. The untested will have no rank, therefore can be easily Identifyed


Feel free to discuss. If you like the idea, great, if you don't say why. I'll probably add to this list and such and I would love to address your arguments.


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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptySun Mar 29, 2015 4:38 pm

a chatango maybe?
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptySun Mar 29, 2015 4:49 pm

That is probably used for a staff chat. Speaking about staff chat, PS has its own staff chat built into it. But Chatango is used mostly a a side chat for forumotion, and honestly I don't think its that much better
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptySun Mar 29, 2015 6:28 pm

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That is probably used for a staff chat. Speaking about staff chat, PS has its own staff chat built into it. But Chatango is used mostly a a side chat for forumotion, and honestly I don't think its that much better

c'mon its not that bad
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptySun Mar 29, 2015 6:31 pm

never said it was bad, I just said it wasn't an improvement
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptySun Mar 29, 2015 9:00 pm

After reviewing your suggestions I have made a decisions to seek out a few more chat related updates for the coming months. Our admin team will work diligently to better the site as a whole and we will be doing so with the help of fellow members like yourself. Thank you for your time and effort and we hope you will enjoy our updates as they appear.

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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 12:08 am

I see no point of changing the chat box. There is a high need of the mute system but its not needed. If someone is trolling they can just get chat banned and the chatbox is fine how it is.

All the stuff you added is not needed... Like seriously this is a forumotion academy not an actual "Forum"

Also the (voice) this is not pokemon showdown...
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 12:42 am

Runzy wrote:
I see no point of changing the chat box. There is a high need of the mute system but its not needed. If someone is trolling they can just get chat banned and the chatbox is fine how it is.
I'm not referring to just trolls. I am referring to those regular users that (un/in)tentionally break the rules. Mute serve as a time out method to handle these people. Of course with a troll you can ban right off the bat. However with these people, that are regular users, these regular users aren't trolls. So you handle them accordingly. Point is, muting is not just for handling trolls.

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All the stuff you added is not needed.
All is misleading. How about some. I am sure a staff chat would be lovely to have without adding a widget on the side and making it so that staff only can see it cause that requires work. Communication between staff is heavily important. If the staff cannot communicate effectively, eventually it can lead it chaos.

Also I don't know about you, but I do not like getting kicked off the chatbox for being afk.


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Like seriously this is a forumotion academy not an actual "Forum"
You are right in that this isn't a forum. If this was a forum, we wouldn't have a CB.

You are wrong in that the medium for our lovely forumotion academy is a forum. Its structured how a forum would be structured. Not to mention, according to google the defintion of a forum is: "A place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged." Here at our lovely academy, we share views and ideas about our favorite card game, Yu-Gi-Oh

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Also the (voice) this is not pokemon showdown...
Your right, it isn't. It doesn't mean we cannot use concepts from it. A voice is a user who is above the average user, and should be a role model for other users to follow. And are you saying its not a good idea to have these type of users who are essentially role models for the community?

Besides that, the message was that we need a better CB.
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 2:26 am

0_0 we don't have role models and mods are Cb with a few help from CB's I see nothing wrong with the current one's.
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 2:34 am

Runzy wrote:
0_0 we don't have role models
So?

Runzy wrote:
mods are Cb with a few help from CB's I see nothing wrong with the current one's.

Can you explain or simply this. This makes no sense.
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 2:35 am

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Runzy wrote:
I see no point of changing the chat box. There is a high need of the mute system but its not needed. If someone is trolling they can just get chat banned and the chatbox is fine how it is.
I'm not referring to just trolls. I am referring to those regular users that (un/in)tentionally break the rules. Mute serve as a time out method to handle these people. Of course with a troll you can ban right off the bat. However with these people, that are regular users, these regular users aren't trolls. So you handle them accordingly. Point is, muting is not just for handling trolls.

Answer : Zzzz like seriously it does not matter a mute is not needed at all it's gonna be a waste of coding etc.

Runzy wrote:
All the stuff you added is not needed.
All is misleading. How about some. I am sure a staff chat would be lovely to have without adding a widget on the side and making it so that staff only can see it cause that requires work. Communication between staff is heavily important. If the staff cannot communicate effectively, eventually it can lead it chaos.

Answer : ( You cannot even see the staff chat so I do not know why ur talking about it, the decision is for (staff) to use any staff caht they want to. Sooo pfft. Communication with users is currently good.

Also I don't know about you, but I do not like getting kicked off the chatbox for being afk.

Answer (That's how chat box are in every site get over it its called disconnection, even if we get a new chat it will still have that option.)


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Like seriously this is a forumotion academy not an actual "Forum"
You are right in that this isn't a forum. If this was a forum, we wouldn't have a CB.

Answer (Actually we would as we would need cb's to control chat like seriously if you do not know what ur talking about don't mention it -_-)

You are wrong in that the medium for our lovely forumotion academy is a forum. Its structured how a forum would be structured. Not to mention, according to google the defintion of a forum is: "A place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged." Here at our lovely academy, we share views and ideas about our favorite card game, Yu-Gi-Oh

Answer (By forum am talking about one you must pay for to keep the site running please again don't act as if you know everything....)


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Also the (voice) this is not pokemon showdown...
Your right, it isn't. It doesn't mean we cannot use concepts from it. A voice is a user who is above the average user, and should be a role model for other users to follow. And are you saying its not a good idea to have these type of users who are essentially role models for the community?

Besides that, the message was that we need a better CB.

Answer (Seriously? like seriously? we are not children here like... how old r you bruh? -_- they are there to do their jobs not to be role model (add the above post)



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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 2:44 am

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Answer : Zzzz like seriously it does not matter a mute is not needed at all it's gonna be a waste of coding etc.
It could be the difference between totally throwing away a valuable user, and keeping that valuable user

Runzy wrote:
Answer : ( You cannot even see the staff chat so I do not know why ur talking about it, the decision is for (staff) to use any staff caht they want to. Sooo pfft.

I don't really understand this, but whats important is that they are communicating between each other. The easier they can communicate, the better.

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Answer (That's how chat box are in every site get over it its called disconnection, even if we get a new chat it will still have that option.)

I don't know what IRCs you're apart of, but last I checked, the IRCs I know don't do this.

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Answer (Actually we would as we would need cb's to control chat like seriously if you do not know what ur talking about don't mention it -_-)

How can you control something you don't have? In otherwords, how can you control a chat if you don't have a chat.


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Answer (By forum am talking about one you must pay for to keep the site running please again don't act as if you know everything....)
By definition it is still the same. Forumotion is a service that provides free forums.

Runzy wrote:
Answer (Seriously? like seriously? we are not children here like... how old r you bruh? -_- they are there to do their jobs not to be role model (add the above post)
Are you asking what my age is because you have no valid rebuttal. Anyhow it could be because I come from a community that I help staff that peaks around 120 users a day.

Anyhow, I think you are confusing 2 people as the same thing.  And please, flaming outloud isn't nice, can we try to keep the drama level down?


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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 2:49 am

Lol what? how if that flaming? am telling you that the chat is not needed isn't this thread for discussion? if it is stop trying to call someone out for "flaming" while the are discussing the thread. K Thxs Bai.
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 2:53 am

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Lol what? how if that flaming? am telling you that the chat is not needed isn't this thread for discussion? if it is stop trying to call someone out for "flaming" while the are discussing the thread. K Thxs Bai.

Well...You are responding quite rudely.

Also edited my last post to address your other arguements if you care.
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 2:56 am

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Runzy wrote:
Lol what? how if that flaming? am telling you that the chat is not needed isn't this thread for discussion? if it is stop trying to call someone out for "flaming" while the are discussing the thread. K Thxs Bai.

Well...You are responding quite rudely.

Also edited my last post to address your other arguements if you care.

1. No I did not. I talked normally and not rude in anyway.
2. You tried flaming me for "flaming" which I find more Rude.
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 2:59 am

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bote wrote:
Runzy wrote:
Lol what? how if that flaming? am telling you that the chat is not needed isn't this thread for discussion? if it is stop trying to call someone out for "flaming" while the are discussing the thread. K Thxs Bai.

Well...You are responding quite rudely.

Also edited my last post to address your other arguements if you care.

1. No I did not. I talked normally and not rude in anyway.
2. You tried flaming me for "flaming" which I find more Rude.

How is saying I don't know what I am talking about and this not rude.

If you want to continue this, can we please take this to PMs?
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 3:00 am

bote wrote:
Runzy wrote:
Answer : Zzzz like seriously it does not matter a mute is not needed at all it's gonna be a waste of coding etc.
It could be the difference between totally throwing away a valuable user, and keeping that valuable user

Answer (When I was mod I honestly wanted a mute button but then I taught it was not needed as users would just flame for getting muted and that's worse)

Runzy wrote:
Answer : ( You cannot even see the staff chat so I do not know why ur talking about it, the decision is for (staff) to use any staff caht they want to. Sooo pfft.

I don't really understand this, but whats important is that they are communicating between each other. The easier they can communicate, the better.

Answer (There is nothing currently wrong with the communication as I stated it you actual read my comment)

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Answer (That's how chat box are in every site get over it its called disconnection, even if we get a new chat it will still have that option.)

I don't know what IRCs you're apart of, but last I checked, the IRCs I know don't do this.

(It's basic for any chat to have a D/c time for their chat if the user is inactive)



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Answer (Actually we would as we would need cb's to control chat like seriously if you do not know what ur talking about don't mention it -_-)

How can you control something you don't have? In otherwords, how can you control a chat if you don't have a chat.

Answer (Lol what? we do have a chat -_- what are u talking about?)


Runzy wrote:
Answer (By forum am talking about one you must pay for to keep the site running please again don't act as if you know everything....)
By definition it is still the same. Forumotion is a service that provides free forums.

Runzy wrote:
Answer (Seriously? like seriously? we are not children here like... how old r you bruh? -_- they are there to do their jobs not to be role model (add the above post)
Are you asking what my age is because you have no valid rebuttal. Anyhow it could be because I come from a community that I help staff that peaks around 120 users a day.

Anyhow, I think you are confusing 2 people as the same thing.  And please, flaming outloud isn't nice, can we try to keep the drama level down?

Answer (Ik how this comment might be rude so so z for that W.e)

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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 3:09 am

So, I'm going to use pics so I don't spend half an hour formatting.
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Thats biased. Show me some evidence of this please.

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Where in this do you state that?

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And you still didn't answer my question. Just because its basic it doesn't mean that I haven't seen it around.

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If we were a 'forum' which we technically are, and we didn't have a chat, how can we control a chat that you don't have?

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Can you post in a language I understand?
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So, I'm going to use pics so I don't spend half an hour formatting.
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Thats biased. Show me some evidence of this please.

It's not biased. I have been a voice on showdown and ik this for a fact and the fact that on here when you kick someone they complain muting them will make dem just flame so definitely no.

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Where in this do you state that?

Why are you trying to turn this discussion into a flame war? c.c


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And you still didn't answer my question. Just because its basic it doesn't mean that I haven't seen it around.

Why are you trying to turn this discussion into a flame war? c.c

I explained everything i said.

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If we were a 'forum' which we technically are, and we didn't have a chat, how can we control a chat that you don't have? All forumotion sites are expected to use the forumotion chat. Simple.

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Can you post in a language I understand?

Why are you trying to turn this discussion into a flame war? c.c

Am going to end posting here as your trying to flame anything i add so bye. Do not quote me Zzzz am done.
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Yeah, some complain, some don't. I know this from experience to. Just because in the end they are going to complain, it doesn't mean its not a good idea to add it.

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I'm not, I am just saying that you didn't say that there isn't anything wrong with the current communication between staff.

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Once again, I'm not, I'm just defending my point to why we should have a CB that is different then the one forumotion provides.

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So you are implying that if you have a forumotion site, you have to use the chatbox. This logic is false, forumotion cannot make you do anything. Lets look at the Mafia or Roleplaying rooms on Pokemon showdown. Both of which are (and I think this applies to mafia sense I believe they are using a forum that comes with forumotion, could be wrong) Forumotion forums. They have their own CBs on the PS server, therefore having another CB on their forums would deem uneeded sense you already have something thats much better.

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Once again, I'm not, I'm just defending my point to why we should have a CB that is different then the one forumotion provides.
Also thanks for stopping, this would have gotten off topic if this continued.
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 4:21 am

Do u read? "expected" not forced to. *sigh*

Again why do we need a cb when our current one works?

Your a new user and your acting as if u have been here for more than one month.
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 4:25 am

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Do u read? "expected" not forced to. *sigh*

Also rather rude.

In that case, my question still remains unanswered for this arguement, if this academy were to not have a CB, how can you control a CB you don't have?

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Again why do we need a cb when our current one works?

Your a new user and your acting as if u have been here for more than one month.

What, because I'm a newer user doesn't mean I can't suggest anything and provide logical arguments to back me up. Also most academys are very similar to each other.


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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 4:26 am

lol we do have one what are you on about? c.c


Am not going to answer a stupid question like that.
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 4:29 am

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lol we do have one what are you on about? c.c

I guess I have to simplify. IMAGINE if you were in an academy that did not have a CB, how can you control the CB you don't have? Actually I'll answer it for you: You can't. Its like saying you can't throw the rock you don't have or you can't walk the dog you don't own. Saying you can control the CB you don't have is like saying you can walk a dog that you don't have, or you can throw a stone you don't have.

BTW I recommend you would stop like you actually said you would like 3 times.
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PostSubject: Re: A new, better chatbox   A new, better chatbox EmptyMon Mar 30, 2015 4:53 am

bote wrote:
Runzy wrote:
lol we do have one what are you on about? c.c

I guess I have to simplify. IMAGINE if you were in an academy that did not have a CB, how can you control the CB you don't have? Actually I'll answer it for you: You can't. Its like saying you can't throw the rock you don't have or you can't walk the dog you don't own. Saying you can control the CB you don't have is like saying you can walk a dog that you don't have, or you can throw a stone you don't have.

BTW I recommend you would stop like you actually said you would like 3 times.

I do not have to imagine caus we have one. You want something we have... and your acting like we don't so that we can get what we have -_-. You keep quoting me meaning i will keep replying if you do not want me to then stop quoting me... that simple and also stop replying...
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